Updating Raspian (pi OS) lost Pi ip address

foxint

Hi Guys
Sorry to be back with a stupid question. I was just thinking of updating the OS....but I am not sure how it is done. I wish unix was as familiar as win 10....

Is this the place to ask. I thought this would be easy and I have spent all day on it.

I plugged in the pi to a monitor and all I got was runeaudio...I tried putty, but it timed out. I tried to look on my DCHP list on the modeum and the pi was missing. I tried to find it using nmap and failed. I pinged the IP address I thought it was good....

I used this ip address and used putty - no log in only a green rectangle. then it times out.

If this is not good...just tell me.....

grofweg

Updating RuneAudio is probably not wise. The chance is you will break the current install. Mind that Rasbian is debian based. RuneAudio is Arch based.

janui

Hi foxint,

The advice from grofweg is correct, updating the kernel is not straightforward. You need to understand that Linux development is based on a rolling forward standard. Only the newest versions of modules are available, any inter-module dependencies must be resolved by using the latest versions. Which in turn may create a situation where a set of modules are installed which are incompatible with the Rune code. However you might just be lucky in getting a compatible set installed. If you are prepared to spend some time on it, the command which will update the kernel is:

pacman -Sy --force raspberrypi-firmware raspberrypi-bootloader linux-raspberrypi

You will first need to get access via ssh, see here for instructions: #49457 see text: - Get access to the console:...

Tips: Update the kernel only if it is required for something specific. Don't use a WiFi connection, wired ethernet or attached keyboard and monitor are required. You should also make sure that your power supply is sufficient. Make backup copies of your SD card so that you can always go back to a working version. And, before you use a command, do a bit of research to find out what it does.

If you run into problems there is a good chance that you will need to spend time learning more about Linux just to be able to explain it. For help, search the forum first, there is lots of information available.

Janui

foxint

Guys

Thank you.

I thought it was easy....sudo apt-get update...

But since I cannot even get into the pi...I think it is too hard. I will have to wait and pray that pi gets more user friendly

Thanks

hondagx35

Hi foxint,

I will have to wait and pray that pi gets more user friendly

The Pi is one of the most user-friendly devices I ever got my hands on.
I hate Windows 10 and would be happy if it would be as intuitive as Linux.

What is your problem?
Why do you want to update Rune?
What version do you use?

I plugged in the pi to a monitor and all I got was runeaudio.

Disable the local browser option on the settings page and you will get the login screen on your monitor.

I thought it was easy....sudo apt-get update...

As always, read the fucking manual!
Rune is based on Arch Linux not Raspbian. Arch Linux uses pacman as packet manager.

Frank

foxint

Hi

I want to update the pi O.S. NOT rune audio.

So I am not really sure what you have said. I am sorry if our experiences of Win 10 and Pi differ. I am also sorry if I do not understand linex. But that is the fact.

If there are any people who would like to help, I would be most greatfull. I have read a lot and most of it is (again I am sorry) in incomprehensable to me.

rastus

foxint wroteIf this is not good...just tell me.....

It is NOT good. Raspian is NOT RuneAudio (if you want help with Raspian, go to the Raspian forum). RuneAudio is based on ArchLinux.... and you have been told already, DO NOT update the Rasperry Pi kernal when using RuneAudio as it WILL damage the RuneAudio install.

Windows10 is 'easy' because you do not have access to any high level controls, it is designed to be 'simple' for the user (no insult intended). All the Linux's give full access to high level controls, designed for the advanced users. There is a big difference between the two. As to your network issues, I suggest you get a qualified I.T. person to have a look at it. You have, in your numerous posts here, often made changes yourself, then asked for help and become argumentative when good advice is given to you. I strongly recommend that you buy a pre-built streamer so that you do not have problems in the future, thus it will be like Windows10, simple to use.

foxint

Sorry Guys

I did begin the post, asking if this was the right place. Obviously not.

I think you misinterprete confusion, lack of knowledge and asking with being argumentative. At least I have not used bad language.

I do like to dabble, but it would seem that the level of knowlege for pi-things is a little too much. I live in the bush and the local PC shop has just embraced SSD's and they have no idea what a pi was. I even suggested to the childrens school that (like the UK) teaching computing using the Raspberry pi would be good...well the school's IT guy looked at me with a blank expression, then I had to explain...

So no joy here. Thanks for the chat.

rastus

foxint,

your at Orange (correct?), I'm at Lithgow.... two hours away (maybe less). You are not far from Bathurst (one hour, maybe less?), and I believe there are a few computer repair places there.

foxint

Yes Orange

Thanks for remembering.

After they butchered my PC and were surprised that I had SSD's...I have lost all faith in them. I even used a PC shop from one of the Mum's from school again, I had to rebuild the PC and install everything.

The level of expertese here is too low even the lawyers and accountants are far from competent. Plus the PC shops charge 2 x for a HDD that I can get from Melbourne, I refuse to use them.

For PC I am OK...for Pi I am at a total loss. Sorry, but the whole pi thing excites me but it is far too confusing for me.

foxint

Guys

Yes, I am a little less experienced than you.... but that is no excuse to shoot me. I can shoot myself in the foot.

I just spent the remainder of the day re-installing raspian onto the pi. Then I realised that the Pi3 that has RuneAudio does not have raspian. I thought RuneAudio was running on the top and the Pie needed an Operating System.

I see why you all treated me like I had leprosy.

I think I understand. So, I reinstalled RuneAudio and will now try and replicate its previous operational status. Wish me luck....I am going to need it.

Now that I am sort of understanding.

Does anyone know how to make Pi2 Media 502 DAC work on the pi. I understood it worked with RuneAudio, but I cannot find any instructions. It came a few days ago and I am in the dark

???

Do I need a new thread????

rastus

You may be "a little less experienced", but your SURE are stubborn! Advice was given, and STILL you went ahead and did what you wanted to do, what you were warned not to do. Sheeesh man! Anyway, RuneAudio IS the Operating System. If you had been treated like you had "leprosy" no one would've responded to your posts at all.

So anyway, I think, I can see what's happened here... you got a brand new Pi2Media 502DAC Audio Shield (http://www.pi2design.com/store/p15/502DAC_-_Audio_Shield.html)... is this correct? And you couldn't get it to work with your RuneAudio install, so you decided to... update the Kernal. Which, I assume, also contributed to your network issue.

Okies.... so, what you really wanted to know is.... "Does anyone know how to make Pi2 Media 502 DAC work on the pi." I have searched this forum, and the pi2design forum, and google, and can find no reference to the Pi2 Media 502 DAC working with RuneAudio. But, I'm sure Frank, out of the kindness of his good and gentle heart, the guy that never swears and is patient as hell, who swore at you earlier in this thread, will no doubt come along and give you an answer to this question. Good luck.

foxint

Thanks mate

I thought that Pi had an OS and RuneAudio worked on top of it…yes it was me assuming Pi works like a PC (win 10 OS and then programmes on top). But I did not understand that RuneAudio is an Operating System. Now I do and this makes it much clearer.

Either no one told me this or I did not understand what they were telling me. I just thought the Pi was a little PC…but that is clearly not the case.

Yes: Pi2 Design Media 502 DAC Pro. I could not find anything about it. The designer/seller said it would work before I bought it. I assumed that I could find some instructions on the net…but no. I have emailed the seller/designer.

Seems strange I am the only one with the device wanting to use RuneAudio.

See - I like the programme…. or I would not have been so stubborn - ha-ha.

Thanks again. The Pi road is full of tricks.

rastus

PC = Personal Computer.... the Raspberry Pi is a SBC = Single Board Computer. Thus, it IS "a little PC"... or a mini-PC. For instance, if you install the Debian Operating System on your Raspberry Pi, you can then install other programs to run on (top of) Debian. Similar to installing programs on top of a Windows Operating System PC. Windows being the Operating System, with programs installed on top of it. RuneAudio is the software, RuneUI is the user interface, and RuneOS is the Operating System. The diffference here is that all three, RuneAudio, RuneUI, and RuneOS is all in one 'package'. While Windows has many purposes, RuneAudio has only one... "Take an inexpensive, silent and low-consumption mini-PC and make it perform as an high fidelity digital source." No Word Processor, no Games, no, this, no that. One purpose. Have a little read... http://www.runeaudio.com/about/

1. "RuneAudio is a free and open source software with one specific objective: to transform an embedded platform (a cheap, silent and low-consumption mini-PC) into an Hi-Fi digital music player."
2. "RuneAudio runs on RuneOS, a custom built GNU Linux operating system, based on Arch Linux."
3. "RuneAudio features RuneUI, an unique integrated and easy to use interface."

Anyway, you have the Pi2 Design Media 502DAC PRO (http://www.pi2design.com/502dac_pro.html).

"The designer/seller said it would work before I bought it." <----- Did he/they say it would work with RuneAudio? Or did he/they say it would work with the Raspberry Pi? You have the hardware (Raspberry Pi), then the Operating System (RuneOS), then the Software (RuneAudio). Oh so complex, I know. I will not list my I.C.T (Information Communications Technology) quals here, but they are extensive, and even I set it and forget it. Meaning: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tinkering always causes problems, always. LoL!!!

janui

Hi Everyone,

Lets try get a little more positive here. Someone new wants to use Rune and needs some help to get started.

@[deleted],

First get Rune working without the dac, look at the "Getting started" instructions here: http://www.runeaudio.com/documentation/

Then add the Pi2Media 502DAC Audio Shield. Your dac may not be recognised by Rune (some are and some are not). If not, setting it up as a "Hifiberry Dac Plus" (which has the same dac chip type) should work fine. There are instructions on the forum (the solution depends upon the image which you are using), search for PCM5122 (this is the dac chip type).

There are several Rune images available for the different Pi models, some are old (and stable) others are new (with more features, experimental and less stable).

If you still have problems, first search the forum for an answer. No solution, then post a question. When you post a question specify your kit (Pi type, image used, dac/digi board, etc. ) and supply a copy of the debug information (see the menu when you have it working). This will really speed up the replies.

When you get it working (and I am sure you will

), add a post to the compatibility list here: http://www.runeaudio.com/forum/compatibility-list-f11.html
Explain what you did and tell us how good the DAC is, then we all know how to do it in the future.

Janui

rastus

I can get constructive, but never 'positive' without negative. I am of the understanding that the Pi2Media 502DAC Audio Shield (http://www.pi2design.com/502dac.html) uses the PCM5122 DAC chip, where as the Pi2Media 502DAC PRO (http://www.pi2design.com/502dac_pro.html) uses the PCM1792 DAC chip. So, I am unsure as to whether the Hifiberry Dac+ driver will work or not.

foxint will get it going, as he has so many times before, of that I'm sure.... like I said, he's stubborn. LoL!

janui

Thanks rastus,

According to their documentation the (http://www.pi2design.com/502dac_pro.html) with the PCM1792 DAC chip works with the "Hifiberry DIGI+ PRO" driver. Setting the "hardware volume control" on and checking that it works is the crucial test.

Janui

rastus

From the 502DAC Pro manual:

Page 6:
The major features of the 502DAC Pro are as follows:

24-Bit DAC – Audiophile Quality PCM1792 running in Slave Mode....

Page 15:
7.1 OVERVIEW
The 502DAC Pro uses the standard WM8804 driver and most Raspberry Pi player software (Moode, PI Musicbox, Volumio, Rune, etc) can be configured to the Hifiberry DIGI+ PRO setting. No further software is required.

Page 19:
9.1 TEST RESULTS SUMMARY
502DAC Pro test conditions were:
Raspberry Pi 2 running Volumio Version 2.23, Hifiberry Digi+ Pro driver selected

http://www.pi2design.com/uploads/4/8/5/3/48531975/502dac_pro_hw_ref_manual_p1_1.pdf

hondagx35

Hi foxint,

please use the image from here and select the "Hifiberry Digi+ Pro" from the settings page.

Frank

foxint

Thanks I guess I have been told.

As for the image. Thank you.

Just checking the file does not mention HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro....it is called RuneAudio_rpi2_rp3-beta_20170229_2GB.img

Do I just copy it to the SD card? Do I use windows explorer? Or is there a special way?

(If it all goes horridly wrong, with this file work with my Digi +??? or is this an update??)

Sorry for the questions. I do not want to get it wrong.