[HELP] AUDIOPHONICS I-Sabre V3 DAC ES9023 TCXO

rikardo1979

Hi guys,
Anyone have an experience with this DAC? When I bought this kit from Audiophonics

AUDIOPHONICS I-Sabre V3 DAC ES9023 TCXO

I thought is ready to use solution where I was shocked it came with no instructions what so ever.
So I thought I give it a try and use it with our XBian which I have been into since we started that project with few guys. But I have realized I ca not make it fully operational as I wanted. The DAC is working fine and can be used as audio out within Kodi but thats not all I want. I would like to make the power button operational and the OLED too. This is where I hit wall in XBian as it is build to different purpose. I have tried a little with one of our developers but it would be a waste of time.

As I am pretty useless with code I cant really do it on my own

But I can follow instruction etc and I am familiar with linux as I using it as my main platform, I using Raspberry Pis since they released 1st one having few at home...

So my question is. Is here anyone who has some time and feel to help me to make this working?

edit:I forgot to mention, I using Raspberry 2

edit2: here is short video of the issue I having with this kit. Basically no matter how I try to wire it it does not work as it should. So if I press it once, it does nothing or in other case it powers DAC/RPi but goes OFF instantly. So the RPi LED just flash for few seconds.
Or if I double press it it powers the DAC/RPi but the LED in button keeps flashing!?! But it suppose to stay lit on? It would be pretty annoying to have it flashing on you all the time you have this unit ON!??!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtlrzc8C90

rikardo1979

I have realized there is another thread for this DAC. Sorry I have not seen it before I created this. If this is an issue please feel free to merge mods

PeteB

Hi Rikardo,

That looks like a nice kit. Wish I had seen it b/f I decided to roll my own... (chuckle). Did you get a script or download and install software with the kit to make the button work correctly?

I have looked at that web site in the past, but my French is not good enough to understand all of it. There should be a page where you can download drivers for that DAC, the button, and the display.

I have both Xbian and Rune running on separate Pi2 platforms with HiFiBerry boards, and I used the Mausberry shutdown (although I don't have it connected currently).

That button is probably supposed to activate something like a shutdown command on the Pi, so Xbian or Raspbian etc. can shutdown safely, and then the DAC board does a hard power-down.

Normally you would have a small program running as a service or something similar on the Pi to watch the button, and activate a shutdown. Looks like that may not be installed on Xbian (?)

Pete

rikardo1979

PeteB wroteHi Rikardo,

That looks like a nice kit. Wish I had seen it b/f I decided to roll my own... (chuckle). Did you get a script or download and install software with the kit to make the button work correctly?

I have looked at that web site in the past, but my French is not good enough to understand all of it. There should be a page where you can download drivers for that DAC, the button, and the display.

I have both Xbian and Rune running on separate Pi2 platforms with HiFiBerry boards, and I used the Mausberry shutdown (although I don't have it connected currently).

That button is probably supposed to activate something like a shutdown command on the Pi, so Xbian or Raspbian etc. can shutdown safely, and then the DAC board does a hard power-down.

Normally you would have a small program running as a service or something similar on the Pi to watch the button, and activate a shutdown. Looks like that may not be installed on Xbian (?)

Pete

Hi Pete,

Thanks for reply. I have not try anything just yet with RuneAudio. I have just flashed it on SD card and run it first time. I have the DAc working, as all is done nicely with this OS. All what was needed was uncoment it in /boot/config.txt
This is great how guys did this OS.
Now I would need to try make this power button and OLED screen to work.
I have tried it under Volumio. Followed all the steps I could understand but no joy. As I mentioned I am bad with code

Shame on me.
But somehow I gave up as I did not like Volumio much. On our XBian, there is no point. I have tried with one of our developer on one other guy from our team. But as our OS is for different purpose, mainly as a Kodi distro, it would required a lot of tweaking and fiddling around.
Then I came across this RuneAudio and seems this is going to be the best to use with that DAC.

At the moment al works fine. I mean streaming of my local library or Tidal HiFi is just perfect over this DAC. I have this connected to Naim Nait XS 2 into our Spendor D7s. Terrific sound coming out of it

I can live without power button and the screen. I dont think I will ever need it. But it would be nice to have it working once I paid for it

So I hoping someone would have enough patience to work with noob like I am and guide me step by step

PeteB

The ideal person to help you would be Frank.

If he does not get to it first, I will try, because I am doing almost the same with slightly different hardware.

I am certain the kit would work with Xbian also, but it might be necessary to ask on their web site for direction on how to download and use it.

From what I have understood, the directions are to

1) First install a library called "wiringPi".

2) Then, create a script called sds.sh (Raspberry-pwr-management/master/sds.sh)

3) Add the script to rc.local

4) Download scripts for a soft shutdown and soft reboot

5) modify the os to use the Audiophonics scripts

There are also some interesting notes about the power supply in the same thread on Audiophonics, and I do not see what supply you are using. You may want to read those...

Pete

rikardo1979

PeteB wroteThe ideal person to help you would be Frank.

If he does not get to it first, I will try, because I am doing almost the same with slightly different hardware.

I am certain the kit would work with Xbian also, but it might be necessary to ask on their web site for direction on how to download and use it.

From what I have understood, the directions are to

1) First install a library called "wiringPi".

2) Then, create a script called sds.sh (Raspberry-pwr-management/master/sds.sh)

3) Add the script to rc.local

4) Download scripts for a soft shutdown and soft reboot

5) modify the os to use the Audiophonics scripts

There are also some interesting notes about the power supply in the same thread on Audiophonics, and I do not see what supply you are using. You may want to read those...

Pete

I work for XBian so I telling you that is no go

Pover supply is 5V 3.4A. I know they mentioned 6V which I do not have but I have tried 7.5V and same issue.
Those scripts I have tried it on Volumio but no good. I could not make it work. But as I do not want to use that OS I dont think I find any help there.
And the Audiophonics forum, well all in French which I understand nothing. Google auto translate works, but without respond on their forum I cant do much. I have posted few times there but no reply at all for days. Maybe cos I posted in English

PeteB

rikardo1979 wrote...
I work for XBian so I telling you that is no go

Pover supply is 5V 3.4A. I know they mentioned 6V which I do not have but I have tried 7.5V and same issue.
Those scripts I have tried it on Volumio but no good. I could not make it work. But as I do not want to use that OS I dont think I find any help there.
And the Audiophonics forum, well all in French which I understand nothing. Google auto translate works, but without respond on their forum I cant do much. I have posted few times there but no reply at all for days. Maybe cos I posted in English

Ok, I accept that about Xbian,

and thanks for the great distro, btw!

Try posting your Q in English again, this time using all capital letters, maybe they will understand it better...

Let's start with the power supply... 5V will be a no-go, this is may be why the power button is blinking (!) take a close look at the LEDs on the Pi, also.

Reason:

From http://forum.audiophonics.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1578

Nicko ....
Sujet du message : Re: Tutoriel I-sabre V3 : Gestion d'alimentation du Raspberry
Administrateur - Site Admin
...

Cette nouvelle version à besoin de 6V mini car il y a une alimentation intégrée avec régulateur faible bruit, il faut donc une chute de tension pour qu'il puisse fonctionner. Il pourrait fonctionner en 12V, mais aucun périphérique USB ne doit être branché sur le PI sinon il va surchauffer.

I understand this part, even in French (I spent a couple happy years designing low-noise power supplies) Here is what this means:

"This new version needs 6V minimum because there is an integrated supply using a low noise regulator, which requires a voltage drop so it can function. It could function at 12V, but other USB peripheral must NOT be connected to the Pi, otherwise it will overheat."

So, they have a low dropout regulator on their board. From this one can calculate backwards, so your 7.5 V supply can and should be used, but not under 6V or over 9V. 12V is iffy... (iffy being a technical term for "just say NO").

rikardo1979

PeteB wrote
rikardo1979 wrote...
I work for XBian so I telling you that is no go

Pover supply is 5V 3.4A. I know they mentioned 6V which I do not have but I have tried 7.5V and same issue.
Those scripts I have tried it on Volumio but no good. I could not make it work. But as I do not want to use that OS I dont think I find any help there.
And the Audiophonics forum, well all in French which I understand nothing. Google auto translate works, but without respond on their forum I cant do much. I have posted few times there but no reply at all for days. Maybe cos I posted in English
Ok, I accept that about Xbian, and thanks for the great distro, btw!

Try posting your Q in English again, this time using all capital letters, maybe they will understand it better...

Let's start with the power supply... 5V will be a no-go, this is may be why the power button is blinking (!) take a close look at the LEDs on the Pi, also.

Reason:

From http://forum.audiophonics.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1578
Nicko ....
Sujet du message : Re: Tutoriel I-sabre V3 : Gestion d'alimentation du Raspberry
Administrateur - Site Admin
...

Cette nouvelle version à besoin de 6V mini car il y a une alimentation intégrée avec régulateur faible bruit, il faut donc une chute de tension pour qu'il puisse fonctionner. Il pourrait fonctionner en 12V, mais aucun périphérique USB ne doit être branché sur le PI sinon il va surchauffer.
I understand this part, even in French (I spent a couple happy years designing low-noise power supplies) Here is what this means:

"This new version needs 6V minimum because there is an integrated supply using a low noise regulator, which requires a voltage drop so it can function. It could function at 12V, but other USB peripheral must NOT be connected to the Pi, otherwise it will overheat."

So, they have a low dropout regulator on their board. From this one can calculate backwards, so your 7.5 V supply can and should be used, but not under 6V or over 9V. 12V is iffy... (iffy being a technical term for "just say NO").

Well, it does not matter if I used 5V or 7.5V PSU the behavior is exact same. And if there the power source is not sufficient shouldn't this not work at all?
Like on RPi if the PSU is no good you experience issues, cant boot at all or you see rainbow icon indicates udervoltage.
But I have been using it for whole weekend and the RPi and DAC works just fine. Its just the LED is constantly flashing?! But I do not understand what that means and so far nobody explained me this

PeteB

If the people who designed the board tell you there is a regulator and you need 6V or more, I would believe them. 5V probably results in sending a low voltage to the Pi, so it may work, but not well.

Which LED is flashing? The one in the button, the red one on the edge of the Pi board?

I do not think that the button can possibly work without some software, like the shutdown script for example.

edit:

If you have a voltmeter, you can check the voltage on the Pi, but I can only conclude that if you use a 5V supply, the voltage at the Pi will be too low to work correctly.

hondagx35

Hi ricardo1979,

installing this should be easy on RuneAudio.

Its just the LED is constantly flashing?! But I do not understand what that means and so far nobody explained me this

This is because your DAC does not get the correct signals from your Pi.

1) use the latest image for RP2/RP3

2) update RuneAudio

cd /var/www
git pull

3) install wiringPi

pacman -Sy wiringpi

4) save this file as /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

#!/bin/bash

echo "Audiophonics Shutdown script starting..."
echo "Asserting pins : "
echo "ShutDown : GPIO17=in, Low"
echo "BootOK   : GPIO22=out, High"

gpio -g mode 17 in
gpio -g write 17 0
gpio -g mode 22 out
gpio -g write 22 1

while [ 1 ]; do
  if [ "$(/home/pi/wiringPi/gpio/gpio -g read 17)" = "1" ]; then
        echo "ShutDown order received, RaspBerry pi will now enter in standby mode..."
        /var/www/command/rune_shutdown poweroff
        systemctl poweroff
        break
  fi
  /bin/sleep 0.25
done

exit 0

5) make it executable

chmod +x /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

6) change /var/www/command/rune_shutdown

....
#  file: command/rune_shutdown
#  version: 1.3
#  coder: Simone De Gregori
#

if [[ $1 == "poweroff" ]] 
then
  echo "power off RuneAudio"
  gpio mode 7 out
  gpio write 7 1
  sleep 1
  echo "Setting pin GPIO7 Low"
  gpio write 7 0
else
  echo "reboot RuneAudio"
  # Reboot blink will stop after Boot OK return
  echo "setting pin GPIO 4 High"
  gpio -g mode 4 out
  gpio -g write 4 1
fi

echo "Stop MPD and unmount shares..."
.....

7) make a service for sds.sh
save this as /usr/lib/systemd/system/sds.service

[Unit]
Description=Audiophonics Shutdown Service
After=network.target

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/sds.sh
ExecReload=/usr/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
KillMode=process
Restart=always
RestartSec=10
StartLimitInterval=30
StartLimitBurst=20

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

8) enable the service

systemctl enable sds.service

This all is not tested!
I hope it works.

Frank

rikardo1979

PeteB wroteIf the people who designed the board tell you there is a regulator and you need 6V or more, I would believe them. 5V probably results in sending a low voltage to the Pi, so it may work, but not well.

Which LED is flashing? The one in the button, the red one on the edge of the Pi board?

I do not think that the button can possibly work without some software, like the shutdown script for example.

edit:

If you have a voltmeter, you can check the voltage on the Pi, but I can only conclude that if you use a 5V supply, the voltage at the Pi will be too low to work correctly.

I mentioned, my psu is 7.5V and LED of the power button is flashing. I have linked my youtube video

OP2

rikardo1979

hondagx35 wroteHi ricardo1979,

installing this should be easy on RuneAudio.

Its just the LED is constantly flashing?! But I do not understand what that means and so far nobody explained me this

This is because your DAC does not get the correct signals from your Pi.

1) use the latest image for RP2/RP3

2) update RuneAudio

cd /var/www
git pull

3) install wiringPi

pacman -Sy wiringpi

4) save this file as /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

#!/bin/bash

echo "Audiophonics Shutdown script starting..."
echo "Asserting pins : "
echo "ShutDown : GPIO17=in, Low"
echo "BootOK   : GPIO22=out, High"

gpio -g mode 17 in
gpio -g write 17 0
gpio -g mode 22 out
gpio -g write 22 1

while [ 1 ]; do
  if [ "$(/home/pi/wiringPi/gpio/gpio -g read 17)" = "1" ]; then
        echo "ShutDown order received, RaspBerry pi will now enter in standby mode..."
        /var/www/command/rune_shutdown poweroff
        systemctl poweroff
        break
  fi
  /bin/sleep 0.25
done

exit 0

5) make it executable

chmod +x /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

6) change /var/www/command/rune_shutdown

....
#  file: command/rune_shutdown
#  version: 1.3
#  coder: Simone De Gregori
#

if [[ $1 == "poweroff" ]] 
then
  echo "power off RuneAudio"
  gpio mode 7 out
  gpio write 7 1
  sleep 1
  echo "Setting pin GPIO7 Low"
  gpio write 7 0
else
  echo "reboot RuneAudio"
  # Reboot blink will stop after Boot OK return
  echo "setting pin GPIO 4 High"
  gpio -g mode 4 out
  gpio -g write 4 1
fi

echo "Stop MPD and unmount shares..."
.....

7) make a service for sds.sh
save this as /usr/lib/systemd/system/sds.service

[Unit]
Description=Audiophonics Shutdown Service
After=network.target

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/sds.sh
ExecReload=/usr/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
KillMode=process
Restart=always
RestartSec=10
StartLimitInterval=30
StartLimitBurst=20

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

8) enable the service

systemctl enable sds.service

This all is not tested!
I hope it works.

Frank

thanks.
Finally some clue into this.
Will test this tomorrow

OP2

rikardo1979

btw, its going to be more fun than I thought[irony]
My experience with Arch is zero...
I did not realized is so different

OP2

rikardo1979

hondagx35 wroteHi ricardo1979,

installing this should be easy on RuneAudio.

Its just the LED is constantly flashing?! But I do not understand what that means and so far nobody explained me this

This is because your DAC does not get the correct signals from your Pi.

1) use the latest image for RP2/RP3

2) update RuneAudio

cd /var/www
git pull

3) install wiringPi

pacman -Sy wiringpi

4) save this file as /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

#!/bin/bash

echo "Audiophonics Shutdown script starting..."
echo "Asserting pins : "
echo "ShutDown : GPIO17=in, Low"
echo "BootOK   : GPIO22=out, High"

gpio -g mode 17 in
gpio -g write 17 0
gpio -g mode 22 out
gpio -g write 22 1

while [ 1 ]; do
  if [ "$(/home/pi/wiringPi/gpio/gpio -g read 17)" = "1" ]; then
        echo "ShutDown order received, RaspBerry pi will now enter in standby mode..."
        /var/www/command/rune_shutdown poweroff
        systemctl poweroff
        break
  fi
  /bin/sleep 0.25
done

exit 0

5) make it executable

chmod +x /usr/local/bin/sds.sh

6) change /var/www/command/rune_shutdown

....
#  file: command/rune_shutdown
#  version: 1.3
#  coder: Simone De Gregori
#

if [[ $1 == "poweroff" ]] 
then
  echo "power off RuneAudio"
  gpio mode 7 out
  gpio write 7 1
  sleep 1
  echo "Setting pin GPIO7 Low"
  gpio write 7 0
else
  echo "reboot RuneAudio"
  # Reboot blink will stop after Boot OK return
  echo "setting pin GPIO 4 High"
  gpio -g mode 4 out
  gpio -g write 4 1
fi

echo "Stop MPD and unmount shares..."
.....

7) make a service for sds.sh
save this as /usr/lib/systemd/system/sds.service

[Unit]
Description=Audiophonics Shutdown Service
After=network.target

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/sds.sh
ExecReload=/usr/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
KillMode=process
Restart=always
RestartSec=10
StartLimitInterval=30
StartLimitBurst=20

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

8) enable the service

systemctl enable sds.service

This all is not tested!
I hope it works.

Frank

So time to try, and I did

But i see some error

But decided to continue with your instructions and I finish the whole lot
But I am still not sure if I have the button wired the right way.
So if I press it and it gets latched in the position, the button LED and RPi LED flash and it goes OFF. And RPi not boot.
If I double press it, the RPi boots with button LED flashing and after a while it stays lit

So it seems your code done some good

But if this is right I do not know.

So if I press it again button LED is lit and the RPi goes off in 1 s. So I dont think its shuts the system at all.

Another test was, once is ON I double press it and the button LED is blinking but nothing is happening, even in long period of time, like over 10-15 mins. So I think it does nothing

PeteB

Hi Ricardo,

Do you have a wiring diagram or a list of wires and connections to pins for the button? I ask because I see you moving the wires in the video, and as far as I can tell from the Audiophonics web site, there should just be two wires for the LED (+ and -), and two wires for the switch contact, NO (normally closed) and NC (normally open). So you should not have to try different connections (?)

P.

rikardo1979

PeteB wroteHi Ricardo,

Do you have a wiring diagram or a list of wires and connections to pins for the button?

P.

no, and thats the problem. They Audiophonics provide nothing at all. No documentation what so ever

All they sent me was this picture

But it is a different button at first. The one I have has 8 pins where only two are clear to me. LED +/-
than the other 6 pins are not clear

So as you can see those markings are not clear at all. You can not even say which is NO and which NC as they both looks like NO to me

And should I use the left or right row? And what is the difference? I can't tell as there is no documentation at all ...

ingohz

+/- for the LED are clearly labeled and the button should be connected to the 3 pins named "C" (common), "NO" (normally open) and "NC" (normally closed). As it is a 2-pole switch there are 2 of each and you have to use one row of them. Maybe you can test it with a multimeter. Keep away from the LED-pins and test if the contact is shortened between the "C"- and "NO"-pin if you press the button.

PeteB

The letters will be on the plastic end by the pins. There is more than one contact, from the pic probably two contacts, each with C/common, NO/normally open, and NC normally closed contact.
From the description you only need one of the two, so some pins will be unconnected. So it looks like you need 4 wires, two for the LED + and -, and two for the switch.

Either side of the switch, should work, and only the "C" and "NO" contacts are used.

hondagx35

Hi rikardo1979,

from your video i can see that your "button" is a toggle switch.
AUDIOPHONICS recommends using a momentary switch (bouton poussoir (momentané)).

Nouveau DAC I-SABRE V3.0 :

Révision évoluée de la version 2, cette version intègre un lot de nouvelles options :

Montage simplifié (aucune soudure nécessaire).
Régulation faible bruit avec dissipateur
Gestion d'allumage-extinction-reboot intégrée
Connecteur dédié à un raccordement d'écran (Brochage direct HD44780)
Connecteur dédié à bouton poussoir (momentané)
Entrée Jack DC 5.5/2.1 sur le PCB
Optimisation de l'intégration du convertisseur et du circuit.

In their description they speak about a ATX type power management:
"V3.0 is now equipped with advanced power management (type ATX)....."
In my understanding this is a momentary button as we know it from our PCs.

With your switch this will not work at all.

Frank

rikardo1979

hondagx35 wroteHi rikardo1979,

from your video i can see that your "button" is a toggle switch.
AUDIOPHONICS recommends using a momentary switch (bouton poussoir (momentané)).
Nouveau DAC I-SABRE V3.0 :

Révision évoluée de la version 2, cette version intègre un lot de nouvelles options :

Montage simplifié (aucune soudure nécessaire).
Régulation faible bruit avec dissipateur
Gestion d'allumage-extinction-reboot intégrée
Connecteur dédié à un raccordement d'écran (Brochage direct HD44780)
Connecteur dédié à bouton poussoir (momentané)
Entrée Jack DC 5.5/2.1 sur le PCB
Optimisation de l'intégration du convertisseur et du circuit.
In their description they speak about a ATX type power management:
"V3.0 is now equipped with advanced power management (type ATX)....."
In my understanding this is a momentary button as we know it from our PCs.

With your switch this will not work at all.

Frank

Thanks for reply
I just do not understand it at all. How they can advertise different on their website? It just does not make any sense

Here is the advert video from their site
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7v0J_CfpNY

So their team has working unit, but they seems to be not able put any documentation together.

Also they have this thread http://forum.audiophonics.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1578 with all the scripts etc in it.

I just hope someone can find a sense in that and translate it to me

But I have requested RMA as this is just ridiculous